The Rest of My Conversation with Andrew Tracy - Fitness Director at Men's Health Magazine

In a wide-ranging and reflective conversation, Tommy sits down with Men’s Health Fitness Director Andrew Tracy to examine what it really means to be great. While Tommy explores the structure and pursuit of greatness, Andrew pushes back—asking whether greatness is even something worth wanting. Together they unravel the tension between ambition and presence, ego and impact, success and fulfillment. The episode weaves through themes of legacy, work ethic, Michael Jordan’s spite-driven dominance, and the hollow feeling that can follow external achievement. This isn’t a conversation about how to become the GOAT—it’s about what that title costs, and whether the pursuit leaves anything behind.